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Bell Mobility Billing Problems Update
NOTE: Here's the latest on this issue. I'm getting a fair number of comments on my recent post about Bell Mobility's billing problems. I thought I would give a brief update on the situation. After being double charged, I was credited by Bell for the month I was overcharged. Then just recently I received a cheque from Bell Mobility for an amount around one month's worth of service. While I don't mind random cheques, now I'm really confused. No letter of explanation or status of my account was attached to the cheque. I'm going to have to gather all of my Bell Mobility bills from the past year, match them up to my VISA bills and see where I stand. This is quite a pain, but it is not the same pain as paying too much. So things are better, but not ideal. I'm not having money problems, but I can imagine that an overchange like this might hurt some families or people on lower fixed incomes/pensions. Anyway, I think Bell Mobility really has some customer communication issues. I didn't find out about the billing problems until I tried to contact them. A month later my account was credited but there was no admission that a problem occurred. And now I'm getting a mysterious cheque with no explanation. Bell, we're buds. Just tell me what's going on. Posted at October 29, 2004 at 12:33 AM ESTLast updated October 29, 2004 at 12:33 AM EST Comments
if you complain enough about an address change that they didnt honour...thus making you get behind on bills...which in turn you cant change your plan (ie, from a high monthly plan to a lower usage one) they will credit you $100.00 if you talk your way through to a supervisor. everyone get some of your cash back! » Posted by: matty at November 8, 2004 07:30 PMHi-Allll! I am a filthy comment spammer. See my site to learn how I spammed you: http://gir.dyndns.org:3400/ » Posted by: Comment spammer at November 14, 2004 02:21 PMHi , Their last bill to me is over $1000.00, can't reach someone on the phone, can't e-mail since they say they are not accepting any more e-mails due to the volumes. Sent letter to President of Bell Mobility,Michael Neuman,no reply. CRTC says they don't deal with billing issues for cell phones and Ministry of Consumer Relations say the same thing, they provided me with an e-mail to Bell Executives, I sent an e-mail and it was returned, no reply. How can this be legal?? » Posted by: Lisete at December 7, 2004 08:56 PMTo my surprise, I received a quick response from Bell Mobility confirming that my wife and I are (finally) going to get the full Digital Bundle discount we were promised. I'm going to wait and see if they live up to their commitment. For now, I will tone down my advice for anyone considering signing up with Bell Mobility from "DON'T" to "PROCEED WITH EXTREME CAUTION". All we have had is problems with billing issues and customer service from bell mobility for the past six months. We didn't receive a bill from them for two months and when we did it was $1300,and they wanted all their money NOW. We had also just bought a new phone from them which cost me $300 and I was supposed to get a $150 credit on our bill, which also took five months to see and that was after calling every month and asking where it was. My wife has a Pay As you Go phone, which she uses basically for emergencies. We've had the account for several years and apparently have accumulated $239 in the Account. However, the battery will not hold its charge, and we are obliged to buy a new phone because they no longer make them. And that's going to cost us a minimum of $150. On Friday, I was told that if I talked to the right person, I could probably arrange to use this surplus to buy a new phone. WRONG -I spent 30+ minutes waiting on their 1-800 number this morning to be told that they could not / would not do it. I then spent another 10 minutes waiting to speak to a supervisor, who confirmed the story. Apparently, she is virtually unique, as she works for a major corporation, and has no supervisor (that I could speak to) apparently!! I'm on pension and funds are protracted. You'd think that a fat-cat organization like Bell Mobility could be a bit more accomodating! The phone's perfectly OK - but they don't make replacement batteries for it anymore. Merry Christmas to you Mr.Neuman, and to all your staff - enjoy your hard nosed bonuses Rod in Ottawa » Posted by: Rod Hughes at December 20, 2004 06:57 PMWell, I'm with Rogers wireless, and I can tell you that billing wise, they don't screw up, and their customer service is pretty good. So, if you manage to get rid of Bell, go for Rogers. » Posted by: Ben Messier at January 5, 2005 09:03 AMFYI As a former bell mobility cusomer service rep you as customers had plenty of notice about the billing change and come on lets be real its hard to change over 4 million customer records theres bound to be problems, and for the other customers who just complaine about everything get real if you dont pay you don't get service if you signed a contract guess what you have to pay 200 to get out of it. and phones arent free so if is old and broken then you have to get a new one and the batterie issue is not bells fault its the manufacturer of the phone I would share the same feelings as many of the comments above. I complained enough having spent a total of over 5 hours on the phone to get credits because of NSF charges that my bank billed me because they tried to take Aug/Sept payment at the same time when they actually took August 3 days previous. Then I had to fight even more to get Pre-Auth Chequing taken off my account because I couldn't trust them to do things right. After all was said and done I had about $165 in credits applied to my account. I also managed to get my bank to reverse the charges too. :) » Posted by: Shawn at January 6, 2005 12:28 AMI was sweet talked into buying a new cell phone, not only is it no better then the old one but this billing that was only going to be down for one month has been worse all year. It is a joke and I will be switching very soon. » Posted by: Ray at January 7, 2005 03:46 PMI want to change my advice (Dec. 8) for anyone considering signing up with Bell Mobility from "PROCEED WITH EXTREME CAUTION" TO "DON'T". After more than four months, they have still not managed to get things 100% right. I'm beginning to doubt if they ever will. As for the Jan. 5 comment from a former Bell Mobility Customer Service Rep, other large telcos in Canada and the US have managed to implement the same billing system as Bell Mobility with far fewer problems. Blaming the customer simply doesn't cut it in this case. Bell Mobility screwed up -- pure and simple. » Posted by: Steve at January 7, 2005 10:58 PMI'm in B.C. I have not got a correct bell bill since august. I received a text messaging saying my account was overdue, then an apology letter the same day. haha. Their service is appalling. Cancel now and go somewhere else. » Posted by: Matt at January 11, 2005 12:07 AMWell...it isn't just Bell Mobility. I got sweet talked into high speed. So I left Rogers to move to Bell. Huge mistake. Their customer service is nothing short of pathetic. They have made billing errors (1st month), they didn't get my email working with the Microsoft MSN Sympatico for about a month and 7 (yes 7) calls and a lot of threats. Still can't hook up my accounts to get them on one bill. If you can...stay with Rogers. I never thought I would say it but they are great. » Posted by: John at January 13, 2005 08:48 PMI *just* got cut-off from my cell phone after 2 hours on the phone trying to deal with my billing horror story (we haven't seen a bill in 6 months--I'm not paying until I see what I'm paying for). I got mad at the woman from Accounts and she turned around and cut me off. Nice way to deal with the public--don't bill, don't answer calls for 3 months, change our address so the bills go somewhere else, put us in arrears without telling us (since the address is wrong) keep us on the phone for hours and then cut us off. I won't even get into the digital bundle troubles. » Posted by: Steph at January 17, 2005 02:04 PMCell phones as a whole are a legal scam. They get you to sign misrepresented contracts and buy disposable phones. Then when the phone breaks, they make you think that you are getting a deal by discounting the price of it and extending your contract. Then if you want to not extend the contract, then bend over and pay the MSRP for something that might last you the next 2 years. I wish Bell mobility would figure out whats going on. I do not appreciate calling them just to get someone who is arguementative, rude, calls me a liar, then threatens me with collections and refuses to listen. *sigh* » Posted by: Scot at January 18, 2005 08:41 PMCan anyone tell me how can I contact Mr. Michael Neuman? I'm convinced going straight to the top is the only solution. Thanks » Posted by: Madie at January 18, 2005 10:57 PMI pay for my wife's cell phone by credit card deduction on a monthly basis. Recently she tried to use the phone and received a message that her time allottment had run out and to please "top up" her account. This seemed strange as she does not use the phone much and even if she had used up her time, any excess calls should have been charged on the monthly bill which comes to me. I phoned Bell Mobility and after about 3/4 of an hour a lady finally came on the line. She informed me that my wife's phone was inactive becuase my credit card had expired. I replied that the credit card had been renewed automatically as it always was and that there had been no interruption of service. She said when the expiry date passed it was up to me to inform them that it had been renewed. I asked why did they not continue to bill me and if there was any trouble to inform me? She said they do not do that. Apparently they assume that people's cards will not be renewed after the expiry date. This seems ridiculous to me. Only a minute fraction of all cards are not be renewed and yet they put everyone to the trouble of informing them when a card is renewed. And trying to do it by phone when it takes upwards of an hour to get your call answered is an outrageous imposition. We have a Sympatico account which is paid by automatic credit card deduction and they do not require the customer to inform them that the card has been renewed. Symaptico is a Bell subsidiary. Perhaps Bell Mobility could phone Sympatico and find out how they do it. Hopefully Sympatico will answer the phone more promptly than Bell does. » Posted by: Terry at January 21, 2005 01:43 PMPiercing http://beauty.body-jewellery-piercing-4u.com/map.html » Posted by: Body Jewelry at January 22, 2005 08:26 AMPiercing http://beauty.body-jewellery-piercing-4u.com » Posted by: Body Jewelry at January 22, 2005 08:26 AMI recently signed up with Bell Mobility in September 2004, thinking they are a reputable national carrier. That was the worst decision ever. Their customer service is shit. Their billing practices are horrid. Thankfully, I only signed a 1 year contract. ps. michael neuman is full of shit too, I sent him a letter to voice my displeasure with their customer service and billing. No response yet, and its been over 2 months. » Posted by: peter at January 23, 2005 12:14 AMLike many of you the Bell experience has been very frustrating. I have yet to receive a response from Mr. President Nueman. What ever happened to customer care and service. I am seriously contemplating a civil court action against Bell and its executives. Anyone interested in a class action email your address to woodsterbob@hotmail.com. These Bell Executives need to be taught a lesson. If there is a solicitor out there who reads this communique and who might be interested in taking this challenge on, please contact me. » Posted by: Woody at January 23, 2005 11:00 AM
Bundle from Hell (The attached is a copy of a letter sent by me to an executive friend who works in Research at Telia in stockholm SWEDEN) heres my letter i faxed to them today about my issues, so if anyones is starting a legal battle go ahead and email me as i will stand up and fight for my rights as a consumer krystale_e@hotmail.com
November(after 2 weeks calling due to Bell Canada system errors) So January came around and I ordered one for my hubby,
Now yesterday when calling I decided to finally take names I spoke with a Gina (***) Not only has my experience with Bell been a great flop, I find that their reps, I would like someone to contact me immediately today by telephone at (705) ***_**** to try and resolve this Please. THANKS Krista Ontario Canada CELL NUMBER (705) ***_**** ------------------------------ To state that other US and Canadian Telco's have implemented an Amdocs billing system with less issues is so far from the truth it is laughable. Amdocs is being sued by many of those Telcos and Rogers had billing issues for well over a year after implementing this system. In fact some Rogers users either didn't get a bill or continued to get double billed for 6-8 months. Bell might not have done a great job in ensuring that their Amdocs migration went better, but they are definitely no worse than any other Amdocs installation. forgey » Posted by: Phillip Renouf at February 12, 2005 12:56 AMheres my update I have faxed my previous letter off and emailed this letter several times as well as had a bell mobility suppervissor transfer me to a voice mail for the executive office, not one person has contacted me back. Anyone doing legal action count me in! » Posted by: krysta at February 23, 2005 12:48 PMThese are all bad problems. I am currently really pissed off with Bell Mobility too. We bought a phone in November 2003. It was really hard for us to choose to do that since we had a problem with Rogers. At the end of our 2 year contract with Rogers we wanted to buy a reconditioned panasonic phone that was supposed to be digital and analogue. It never switched over and when we went to the rogers' pavillion the lady told us they don't actually switch over. We also had really bad battery problems. Assuming we had a reconditioned phone since we stressed to the customer service agent on the phone when we bought it that we did not want to be in any contract we called to cancel. We ended being told we couldn't cancel without a charge of $200 because they didn't have any more reconditioned phones so they sent us a new one and entered us into a contract. After aruging with them for 3 months we got back $75.00 back pay for the money they kept taking out for service that they shouldn't have and we had to send the phone back. We ended up losing the $99.99 that we paid for the phone in the first place. So, 2 years later we suck it up and go to Bell. We get this Nokia phone for $29.99 and signed up for 2 years. We took out the extended warranty for the extra year since the phones only have a year warranty. We are told that we get 3 months ulimited usage. So the first bill comes - we see "wow" we don't use what we thought we were going to. You know how the bill shows what the price "would have been" but because it's unlimited you pay $0.00 Well we assumed that when we were asked if we wanted web browsing and that next to usage it said $0.00 that the fee we were paying each month covered the usage. So here we are in the end of March - our first bill comes in that isn't unlimited usage free. It's $250.00 because of Web Browser usage. I call them up and ask why and they tell me that it's something like $56.00 a MB and you have to pay per text message. I told them that was ridiculas and I thought we were in a web usage plan. THey said the plan is only for the fee of accessing the service. The next bill we get is for $150.00 because by the time I found out about it it was the end of March which was the end of the second bill. I tried to get some consideration in this as I was explained to the sales person that the plan we were signing up for covered the usage and he didn't indicate that you had to pay for the MB you downloaded. That is stupid because when you are trying to get driving instructions or a phone number you get their advertisement popups that you have to pay for. Plus I got charged for text messages I didn't use from advertisements as well. I also got charged for ringtones that I only listened to and didn't choose save. So we argued with them on the phone for about 4 months and we weren't getting anywhere. We ended up telling them that we weren't paying them. Now it's February this year and we need our cell phone back. My husband is getting a new job where he is going to travel a lot plus I am opening a business. I call up bell today and let them know that I have given up on this issue and I am going to pay them the $245.00 I owe them. I drop the money off to a Bell store. I call them on the phone and tell the customer service rep my situation. She says "no problem" and transfers me to an activation agent. I tell him my situation and ask if I will have to pay a deposit to get the phone reactivated. He said I didn't. I double checked at the end of the call and he said I didn't. I was told in two hours the phone should be working. Well nothing happened so I called back and I got transferred to someone else in billing or something. The guy was completely ignorant and refused to talk to me even though my husband said I was the one dealing with all of this and that I am the one who he wants talking to them. Anyhow, it turns out they want $500.00 to get the phone reactivated. I would have had NO PROBLEM paying that in the first place when I asked but I was told I didn't. Plus when they realized that I did no one called me. The guy told us it's not BELL who says we have bad credit it's the credit company and suggests we call them. My husband tells them that our credit is fine and the only company that would even try to report anything on us is them. He insists they didn't. My husband told them that when we signed up for the phone they didn't want a deposit and why would they now? He said that it's not his choice. Our problem is that we don't trust them not to screw us on the bill a second time so we don't trust that we would get our $500.00 back. I think we are going to go back to rogers. We are willing to pay them a deposit if they want because at least they only lie about commitment times and not trying to rip you off for money.. » Posted by: Melissa at February 23, 2005 07:42 PMHI Mellisa I was reading your story here and as a former Bell Mobility Csr I thought I would advise you on a few things Forst off I do agree with you the rep should have explained the phone package to you in a better mannor, second if you ask to speak with a supervisor they could get your bill sorted out for you, third witht he deposti I am not sure how they are comming up with this was your phone permenenly disconected or was it just on suspension, I do highly suggest yu check your credit with equifax to be on the safe side you never know if something is on your report and it could be wrong it has happened to me if you do have to pay the 500.00 Bell will give it back to you sometimes it takes them time to do it but they weill hope this info helps you out » Posted by: N/A at February 27, 2005 01:28 AMJust received a letter from Bell that effective with March 31, 2005, we can longer accumulate unused time and that we have in the automatic top-up service. they are in effect taking your money and not giving us the service. Have $200 in time that I use during the summer, don't use much in the winter. Another rip off. » Posted by: Ed at March 4, 2005 04:08 PMEd, what do you mean that we can no longer accumulate unused time and that we have in the automatic top-up service? Please explain b/c I haven't received a letter yet. » Posted by: Rob at March 7, 2005 12:52 AMBell Prepaid Mobility Service Customers Letter Dear Bell Mobility Customer, Improvements and Changes to Your Prepaid Mobility Service As a valued Bell Mobility customer, we want to keep you informed about some additional ways that we would like to fuck you over. First, if you have accumulated any credits to date with our prepaid service by signing up for a monthly plan, then you are fucked. That's right too fuckin' bad there gone as of March 31st. You could try the alternative manual prepaid card activation but let's be real, who has the time and if you try and we will only find out and fuck you up in the next couple of weeks. We at Bell really have nothing better to do then cash you cheques and find new ways to fuck you over. That being said, thank you for be a loyal customer (sucker) and if we can provide any additional stress please call our toll FREE 1-800-wait for an hour or more to talk to a customer service representative who's hands are tied from trying to help you because their supervisor is listening to make sure they are relaying the company message, "Thank you for calling is there anything I can help you with" "Your concern is very important to us, now hold for another hour while I pretend I can talk to someone" "Thanks for holding, I checked with my sources and they have confirmed with me that you are fucked" "I hope that answers your question, Have a nice day" |